Monday, December 03, 2007

The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11

The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11. Who are these two prophets? What do they have to say? Why are they called the two witnesses? How will their message be proclaimed? And is there any special significance to the fact that they're headquartered in Jerusalem?

The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11


I am a lover of children's literature said...

According to Ronald Weinland, he is one of the two witness's. Since the WCG broke up into what seems like a million different splinters, just about every imaginable idea has seemed to come forth.

I, like yourself, longed to return to Zion, and I think I found it. I never thought when I was in the WCG it would implode the way it did, but it happened!

David Ben-Ariel said...

Having attended a Sabbath service RW preached in Toledo years ago, and asking him a question he refused to answer after his sermon because it would refute his whole sermon (I asked him when did God the Father permit His Son to be sacrificed - in the evening or in the afternoon?), and even reading his book, I'm confident Ron Weinland is not one of the Two Witnesses, but drunk on his own ego.

Unlike Moses who had legitimate reason to recognize his calling before his brethren did (Acts 7:25, 35), Weinland has absolutely NO REASON WHATSOVER. May God grant him repentance and humility.

larry said...

I suspect that the two witnesses have not yet been chosen. They may be yet unborn. The Bible doesn't say alot about them, but historically, God has chosen for His messengers and prophets, people that did not seem likely by human standards.

I am a lover of children's literature said...

Yes, I agree with you! From what I heard he is a very nice fellow, but is under a great delusion. I have read the Bible many times and it no where states that one of the two witnesses will appear before the other, and or before the great tribulation, but rather the two of them appear together during the tribulation.

I would like to know what the reasons are that God would choose this man? Of course, he set a trap for himself in stating that the great tribulation starts next year and Christ will return 3 and half years later. He is setting himself up for a fall, a very big fall!

I'm a not a follower of his, but anyone who was in anyway connected with the WCG, of course, gets my reaction. That doesn't, of course, mean that I believe them, let alone follow them.

larry said...

I don't really understand your comment about "gets my reaction"? I was and still am a member of the WCG. As you well know, no church knows more about God and the Bible than the WCG. This is still true, regardless of what some critics say. Yes, there are some who have been carried away with the idea of their own self-importance, but by and large, the WCG is composed of the most devout, courageous, and humble Christians on Earth.

David Ben-Ariel said...

Larry, those who composed the "most devout, courageous and humble Christians on Earth" in the WCG have fled that corrupt and deceitful organization to remain true to the Faith once delivered, as Christ commands us to FORSAKE BABYLON - not stay put, stuck in the muck, or make excuses to remain within what now amounts to just another traditional Protestant church, whose condemnation is greater than those who never knew better.

The "frog in the kettle" has had its brains fried.

The Worldwide Church is no longer the Church of God, as its members have chosen to follow Tkachism rather than continue to follow Jesus Christ.

Stephen Flurry's book, Raising the Ruins, documents it all, making a great contribution to Church history, even if it's not the warning message God would have us give to the world.

If there are a few stragglers left in Babylon, God help them to make the move and get out while they can and avoid it like the plague or suffer the consequences. Those who are of Christ hear His Voice and obey His command.

larry said...

David, I appreciate your concern on my behalf. The WCG is not a corrupt and deceitful organization.

David Ben-Ariel said...

Larry, it's DOCUMENTED how the current WCG is a corrupt and deceitful organization. Those of us who have shaken the dust off our feet from that condemned apostate group know what outrageous lies ("what changes?") and demonic deceit they engaged in full time against the Church of God members and our biblical doctrines. You're either in denial or deceived. You can read Stephen Flurry's book, documenting the deception, Raising the Ruins, online. Please do.

larry said...

David, I know all the issues and all sides of the story. I know all the players and I have been around longer than you. The WCG is not a corrupt and deceitful organization. I am not deceived nor am I in denial. God has not abandoned the Worldwide Church of God. He has also not left you either.

David Ben-Ariel said...

Larry, you're free to remain in your denial or deception. Apparently you've been around too long and are content to stay stuck in the muck rather than follow the lead of God's Holy Spirit to FORSAKE BABYLON.

Those folks who believe the plain truth of the Bible, as well as know from personal experience the outrageous lies, the demonic deception Tkach and decadent company have told and continue to engage in, have shaken the dust of that condemned organization off our feet.

Neither God or those who left (or were put out to remain true to the Faith once delivered) abandoned the Worldwide organization, but it certainly abandoned us.

Again, IF there are a few stragglers left in Babylon, God help them to make the move and get out while they can and avoid it like the plague or suffer the consequences. Those who are of Christ hear His Voice and obey His command.

Case closed.

larry said...

David, I gotta hand it to you. At least you do have the guts to post a statement from someone who is adamantly in disagreement with you. Consider this though, it is a serious thing to accuse evil people of doing evil, but it is extremely unwise to accuse good people of doing evil.

larry said...

Back to the matter of the two witnesses. More than likely, they will come from the Worldwide Church of God. There is also a high probability they will be American and/or British, from Ephraim and/or Mannasseh. We know very little about them except that their message will be EXTREMELY unpopular, and so will they!

David Ben-Ariel said...

It is extremely unlikely that the Two Witnesses will come from that Synagogue of Satan, the Church of Tkachism, which it has become having rejected the plain truth of the Bible for idolatrous traditions of counterfeit Christianity.

Apparently you still understand, thankfully, our Israelite origins, our Hebrew roots, but that polluted organization denies it and has made a big issue out of denying it - to their shame and the joy of TRADITIONAL Churchianity - and knows better since they once, supposedly, searched the Scriptures and studied the prophecies and found the USBIP to be true.

Now they've thrown it all away, literally and spiritually. Such people are not good people. They are evil. Can we expect the Synagogue of Satan to be anything less?

Whoever the Two Witnesses are, I'm sure they won't be popular with the world, and initially probably not too popular with the Church of God.

Will the Church of God welcome the Two Witnesses?

larry said...

Thank you David. Yes, of course we still understand our Israelite origins. In fact, now we in the WCG understand EVERYTHING, the Old Testament and the New, in ways that no one else does. This allows us to peek into the mind of the Almighty God. It is awesome! Really no one else can do this right now, but maybe later. For this reason, it is likely that the 2 witnesses will come from our church.

David Ben-Ariel said...

Larry, God knows whether or not you're in denial, deceived or a liar like your demonic leaders in the Synagogue of Satan, the Worldwide Church of Tkachism, but the official position of your apostate organization is on public record:

Position Statement About the Identity of the Tribes of Israel

Today, after having carefully researched the tenets and history of its belief that the United States and Britain are the descendants of the ancient Israelite tribes of Manasseh and Ephraim, the Worldwide Church of God no longer teaches this doctrine. While it may be an interesting theory, there is simply a lack of credible evidence, either in the biblical account or the historical record, to support a conclusion regarding the modern identity of the lost ten tribes of Israel. We recognize that there were hermeneutical and historical inaccuracies in the church's past understanding of this issue.

Therefore, in accordance with the church's historical position of a willingness to change when convicted that its teachings are biblically inaccurate, the church no longer attempts to identify the modern-day descendants of the lost tribes of Israel. /

You're stuck in the muck of Babylon and have refused to follow the lead of God's Holy Spirit to FORSAKE BABYLON, so, as you've chosen, suffer the consequences. There's NO EXCUSE to remain in that apostate organization - not before God or man.

I am a lover of children's literature said...

I agree, Larry you have to anoint your eyes, your blinded by the new WCG, which is, in reality, nothing more, nothing less, than one of the Catholic's protesting daughter churches.

How can the WCG be a true when it is founded on the lies of Tkachism? I don't agree with the PCG, its led by a false prophet, but David is right about the book, "Raising the Ruins," it does document nicely the lies and deceits of the WCG, which, in fact, is God's church only in name. Even the WCG's name will be changed and the sooner the better!

Any of the splinters would be a better place to be in staying in than the WCG. The WCG may laugh at Mr. Armstrong's warnings about a United Sates of Europe, but its almost here!

I love Germany and I will have you know that the Nazi's ideals are alive and well, and soon, very soon, Germany will lead Europe in fulling God's prophecy of punishing our wicked and sin filled Israelite nations.

As I speak, the German pope is working to make it happen and happen it will and soon. Ich liebe zu reise in Deutschaland, and I tell you first hand, the WCG, or whatever perverted, man made, Satan inspired name it will choose in the future, will be dumbfounded when they realize that a United Europe is not a made up fable by Mr. Armstrong, but a real prophecy of God, declared by him to shout out for his entire 52-year ministry!

Time is almost up, anoint your eyes Larry, you will see that David is 100% correct in what he is saying. I just hope you wake up before its too late?

larry said...

I very much appreciate your concern about my welfare. But as both of you should know, although the WCG is well aware of the identity of modern Israel, and the prophecies of the coming united Europe, it is not the job of the Church of God to teach history or attempt to rally a nation to repentance. The job of the Church was specifically defined by Jesus Christ himself: preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God (this includes explaining about the King) and make disciples of all nations.
There are others (like yourselves) who are perfectly willing and able, to warn the nations, both Gentile and Israelite. And that is fine. You perform a valuable service by doing this. But it is NOT the mission of the Church of God. If you believe otherwise, you are simply dead wrong.

David Ben-Ariel said...

Larry, your response is DEAD WRONG and your Synagogue of Satan (Church of Tkachism) will have the blood of many on its hands for knowing the Israelite origins of the West, our Hebrew roots, and not only FAILING to teach it, as God foretold He would send fishers to reveal our identity and to remind us of our Hebrew roots and biblical responsibilities, but to vainly teach against it, even though you deceitfully pretended otherwise.

Now that you've been called on it, now that I've expose Tkachism's official position, you're backtracking and throwing up new excuses that fall flat.

The Plain Truth about the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel

The Church of God Must Warn the World!

You've stayed in the pot too long. I'm afraid you're cooked.

I am a lover of children's literature said...

Larry, if its true that the WCG knows about the prophecies of a United States of Europe and also the 10 lost tribes, why would you say its not the church's job to preach it? Why is it in the Bible, if the church's job isn't to preach it? If you admit its in the Bible, than you must also admit that the Bible says we are to 'live by every word of God' and not just a bit of it. You have to preach every word in order to believe and obey it, don't you?

Also, if its not the church's job to preach these things, then, by all means, who's job is it - CNN, ABC, BBC, etc? It seems awfully silly to suggest that the church has no responsibility to warn of the worst time ever, the great tribulation!

No, if its in the Bible than it is the church's job to preach every word of God, including those prophecies!

Think for a minute, if you knew that the food was poisoned at the local market and kept quiet about it, wouldn't you be guilty if some one died from eating that food? Would you keep quiet if you knew the food was poisoned or would you just keep quiet, out of love, and let them eat the poisoned food? If you love your neighbors don't you think that you owe it to them to warn them that the food was poisoned? Of course, and if its true the WCG knows these things as you suggest, then you have to admit its also their job to warn people about these things.

When you really think about it, how can you say that the WCG really loves people if it refuses to warn people that their sins are leading them straight into the great tribulation? Thats the same as not warning someone that the food they are about to eat was poisoned. If you knew it was poisoned and didn't warn them, you be facing murder charges and likewise so it the WCG for not warning them, but not by the courts of this dying world, but by the court of the Living God that you say you are obeying!

Even though you say the WCG still believes these things, by their actions or the lack there of, the WCG doesn't believe these things at all - they are pulling your legs and its up to you, not me, not David or anyone else, its your responsibility to examine and prove all things, including what I say here.